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Cuba announces major salary rises
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torresD
2005-11-24 17:01:23 UTC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana

Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors

Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.

The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.

Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.

Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.

Doctors will get an extra $7.

The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.

Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.

Rich targeted

President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.

In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -

principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.

They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.

Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.

The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,

particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
Observador
2005-11-24 17:31:22 UTC
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There ya' go!!!
Gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme tbat ol' commie'ism
its good enough fo'me...
if its good enough for castro and its good enough
for chavito, its good enough for both o' them,
then its good enough fo' me.
The question is how could anybody in their right
minds follow such a screwed up system, the answere
is they dont.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:01:23 GMT, "torresD"
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
Bob
2005-11-26 08:35:35 UTC
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Post by Observador
There ya' go!!!
Gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme tbat ol' commie'ism
its good enough fo'me...
if its good enough for castro and its good enough
for chavito, its good enough for both o' them,
then its good enough fo' me.
The question is how could anybody in their right
minds follow such a screwed up system, the answere
is they dont.
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
Post by Observador
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:01:23 GMT, "torresD"
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
krp
2005-11-26 12:17:22 UTC
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Post by Bob
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-26 20:19:15 UTC
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No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is Amerikkka
too!
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
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Bob
2005-11-27 09:42:21 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.>>
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
The weed days are long gone. It's red wine only for me now, in my 40's.
And a young woman if I can get one. :) Or even an older one, Hell, why
not? :D
krp
2005-11-27 12:22:45 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by krp
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
The weed days are long gone. It's red wine only for me now, in my 40's.
And a young woman if I can get one. :) Or even an older one, Hell, why
not? :D
Man too much wine. The brain cells have died off.
krp
2005-11-27 11:51:16 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is Amerikkka
too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
I also don't live in a state of confusion or the state of denial you guys
do. Look at the REAL Cuba.

www.therealcuba.com
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-27 18:59:10 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is Amerikkka
too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success. And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
Hey man can I have some of what you are smoking? Man - - that's some heavy
shit!!!!
I also don't live in a state of confusion or the state of denial you guys
do. Look at the REAL Cuba.
www.therealcuba.com
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krp
2005-11-28 00:04:27 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
PM
2005-11-28 04:13:38 UTC
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http://members.aol.com/Guanabacoa/che.html



Se inicia en Buenos Aires ciclo de presentaciones de documental
sobre Guevara en Hispanoamérica


El Documental "GUEVARA: ANATOMÍA DE UN MITO" realizado por el Instituto de la Memoria Histórica Cubana contra el Totalitarismo y Caimán Productions inició ayer su ciclo de presentaciones en Hispanoamérica con su premier en Buenos Aires que tuvo lugar en el auditorio del ESEADE y fue organizada por la Fundación Atlas 1853 y Noticuba Ed. Bs As. con el auspicio de Latin Liber .





El film dirigido por Luis Guardia y producido por Pedro Corzo, se proyectó a sala completa y fue comentado por un panel integrado por el Prof. Gabriel Gasave, Investigador Asociado de la Fundación Atlas 1853 , Analista del Independent Institute (Oakland, California) y profesor de San José State University y el Dr. Armando Ribas columnista de diversos medios de comunicación, consultor de empresas, profesor en el ESEADE , miembro del Consejo Académico de la Fundación Atlas 1853 y conductor del programa televisivo "Sin fronteras", que se emite por el canal P&E. ( Fotos: izq.: Dr.Ribas der: Prof. Gasave)


La actividad fue presentada por Celso Sarduy Agüero y finalizó con una ronda de preguntas del público acerca de los sucesos relatados en el documental y de la situación actual de Cuba y Argentina.

El documental inicia sí una ronda de presentaciones en Argentina que continuará en distintos países de Hispanoamérica.
Fotos: (izq:Dr. Ribas y Celso Sarduy der: público asistente)

Los organizadores lo invitamos a verlo en el sitio web de Latin Liber donde encontrará también una transcripción del guión.

Invitamos también a Escuelas, Cátedras, Profesores, Medios de comunicación, Instituciones que deseen proyectarlo a comunicarse con nosotros y coordinar una entrevista vía e mail a: ***@gmail.com o ***@gmail.com

Queremos expresarles nuestro agradecimiento por habernos acompañado en la presentación de este material cuya difusión es imprescindible para luchar contra el totalitarismo y defender nuestras libertades en estos momentos aciagos para nuestra región, víctima de un rebrote neopopulista sustentado, entre otras cosas, en falsos mitos como el que aquí se desenmascara.

Puede accederse desde aquí al documental para verlo on line clickeando en la portada del mismo que está a continuación:

Cortesía de la Unión Liberal Cubana
http://www.cubaliberal.org/videos/CHE_AnatomiadeunMito.wmv
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-28 05:58:11 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!

GUSANO!
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krp
2005-11-28 12:33:26 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."

I am also an American.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-30 12:40:08 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
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krp
2005-11-30 12:44:32 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America" lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-30 22:26:55 UTC
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You should travel, most Latin Americans see themselves as Americanos.

Get out of Calle 8.
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America" lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
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krp
2005-12-01 13:20:20 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America"
lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
You should travel, most Latin Americans see themselves as Americanos.
Get out of Calle 8.
I have only been in a few. I NEVER heard ANYONE in Brazil saying they
were "Americans" not even ONE! Not ONE in Costa Rica.
Maybe, Jose, you need to quite using people in mental wars as your point of
reference.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-12-01 14:28:43 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America"
lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
You should travel, most Latin Americans see themselves as Americanos.
Get out of Calle 8.
I have only been in a few. I NEVER heard ANYONE in Brazil saying they
were "Americans" not even ONE! Not ONE in Costa Rica.
Maybe, Jose, you need to quite using people in mental wars as your point of
reference.
"Wars"? Like Bush-it? We I have heard amny Latin Americans telling gringos
"We are all Americans" when one of those pendejos says they are from
"America." Then they ask them, which part of America?
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krp
2005-12-02 14:45:01 UTC
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No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the way to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go there? I think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
<snicker at the TINY mind>
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Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is Cuba nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America"
lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
You should travel, most Latin Americans see themselves as Americanos.
Get out of Calle 8.
I have only been in a few. I NEVER heard ANYONE in Brazil saying they
were "Americans" not even ONE! Not ONE in Costa Rica.
Maybe, Jose, you need to quit using people in mental wars as your point
of
reference.
"Wars"? Like Bush-it? We I have heard amny Latin Americans telling gringos
"We are all Americans" when one of those pendejos says they are from
"America." Then they ask them, which part of America?
I have only heard IDIOTS say that. None of my friends in Brazil or
Argentina have EVER called themselves "Americans" or BITCHED endlessly about
Americans calling themselves that. I have heard them call us "Norte
Americanos" but then doesn't that apply to people from Mexico and Canada
too? Seems Jose like you are one really confused Comrade.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-12-02 20:12:34 UTC
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KRP annother reason to suppoert Roe v. Wade.
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No need, you obviously did not live in N.O. ninth yard, that is
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Amerikkka too!
That would be 9th WARD... Right I live in Tampa Bay.
You're right, the stink of gusanito coming from Tampa all the
way
to
Orlando made me puke while typing.
Hey you HATE America so much and LOVE Cuba, why not go
there? I
think we
can get a few folks to chip in for a one way ticket!
America begins in the Magellan Straits and goes all the way up to the
Bering Strait, you are not only a hypocrite you soooo stupid!
GUSANO!
<snicker at the TINY mind>
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Most people refer to the United States as "America." Cuba is
Cuba
nobody
calls it "America" or Canada. There is "North America" there is "Central
America" and there is "South America."
I am also an American.
Most people believe that if they play the lottery they can win, despite
the small probability that they will. Ignorance keeps the machine going.
The same group that call USA America are probably also playing the lottery
like sheeps every week.
Jose they have been calling the U.S. "America" for almost 200 years.
Heard anyone lately calling Mexico "America?" Oh say in the last 10 years or
so? Hear it called that often do ya? Anybody heard Argentina called
"America"
lately have you? I know, maybe they have been calling Ecuador
"America" too?
You should travel, most Latin Americans see themselves as Americanos.
Get out of Calle 8.
I have only been in a few. I NEVER heard ANYONE in Brazil saying they
were "Americans" not even ONE! Not ONE in Costa Rica.
Maybe, Jose, you need to quit using people in mental wars as your point
of
reference.
"Wars"? Like Bush-it? We I have heard amny Latin Americans telling gringos
"We are all Americans" when one of those pendejos says they are from
"America." Then they ask them, which part of America?
I have only heard IDIOTS say that. None of my friends in Brazil or
Argentina have EVER called themselves "Americans" or BITCHED endlessly about
Americans calling themselves that. I have heard them call us "Norte
Americanos" but then doesn't that apply to people from Mexico and Canada
too? Seems Jose like you are one really confused Comrade.
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2005-12-03 10:40:57 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
KRP annother reason to suppoert Roe v. Wade.
Lack of substance and lack of reply on the issue noted.

I WIN!
Barry Schier
2005-12-02 22:53:46 UTC
Permalink
The friends of American (including especially Cuban-American) opponents
of the Cuban Revolution who live elsewhere in the Americas to no object
to not being called "Americans" not because of semantic reasons -- the
word "American" or its equivalent in English, French, and several other
languages defaults to "resident of the United States" -- but because of
they do not object to their country's leadership's non-defense of
national sovereignty and their servility to the U.S. governemnt and
corporations. Mexico's President, Vicente Fox, is Mexican by birth and
life-long residence, etc. Fox was not only a servant of Coca-Cola, but
he was the honcho for that U.S. megacorporation in Mexico. And to
think that Mexico's president Fox should take offense at Venezuela's
president Hugo Chavez calling him a "puppy" of the United States
government!

There is debate whether it is better to use "norteamericano/s" or
"American/s" in reference to those in the United States. The Spanish
word "norteamericano/a" refers exclusively to those in/from the United
States, while the English word "American" can be used either for those
from/in the United States or from/in anywhere on the hemisphere known
as "the Americas." One thing, however, is not semantic: in view of my
mistake in mistaking him for a Miamian, whether KRP wishes me to call
him a "Tampan" or "American" is a secondary matter: either geographic
adjective should be used before the main noun: "apologist," "gusano,"
and whatever other applicable word is in the thesaurus that is a
POLITICAL description rather a personal insult.

-- Barry Schier
krp
2005-12-03 10:52:26 UTC
Permalink
"Barry Schier" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

(Pointless on Fox and Chavez deleted as irrelevant to the thread)
Post by Barry Schier
There is debate whether it is better to use "norteamericano/s" or
"American/s" in reference to those in the United States. The Spanish
word "norteamericano/a" refers exclusively to those in/from the United
States, while the English word "American" can be used either for those
from/in the United States or from/in anywhere on the hemisphere known
as "the Americas." One thing, however, is not semantic: in view of my
mistake in mistaking him for a Miamian, whether KRP wishes me to call
him a "Tampan" or "American" is a secondary matter: either geographic
adjective should be used before the main noun: "apologist," "gusano,"
and whatever other applicable word is in the thesaurus that is a
POLITICAL description rather a personal insult.
Spanish "term" Barry. Sometimes written as Norteamericano or Norte
Americano typically applies to people from the U.S.. The point of correcting
you, Barry, on where I am from was to put your simplistic attacks in their
place. (Trash can) It is so easy for you Marxist jingoists to refer to
everyone who disagree with your BULLSHIT as part of the "Miami Mafia" and
then in two words you have marginalized their points. How EASY. Beats having
to really deal with the facts in the issues. I note you now AVOID the BTR
shoot down rather wisely. You seem to NEED to label your opponents. I could
just refer to you as one more MINDLESS MARXIST IDIOT... But I generally try
to avoid that.

In the case of claims about Cuba, our situation Barry, is that I am not
easily bullshitable by you. You make claims that are patently false quite
frequently. I have too much contact with Cuba to buy things that conflict
with what I have SEEN with my own eyes. Your problem with me is that I have
a VERY LARGE extended family that includes too many Cubans both here in the
U.S. and IN Cuba. (Not to mention a few elsewhere in the world. )

When you are discussing the truth you'll find I will agree with you.
Such as the stupid foreign policy of the U.S. to Cuba and the rest of Latin
America. I will freely admit that while you don't have to be a complete
frigging moron to work for State - it does help promotion possibilities in
the agency! There is a contest with the folks working at the CIA. A winner
will be announced at the end of this century!

PL
2005-11-26 20:58:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
There ya' go!!! Gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme tbat ol' commie'ism
its good enough fo'me...
if its good enough for castro and its good enough
for chavito, its good enough for both o' them,
then its good enough fo' me.
The question is how could anybody in their right
minds follow such a screwed up system, the answere
is they dont.
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of things
and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some ways, Cuba
is a smashing success.
(snip)
Only iof you believ Castro's statistics that are "politically
influenced" according to international experts and Cubans doctors that
have left the island.

From Promedmail :
The global electronic reporting system for outbreaks
of emerging infectious diseases & toxins,
open to all sources.
ProMED-mail, the Program for Monitoring
Emerging Diseases, is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases.

" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced "
See www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390
Post by Bob
And they feed their whole population, which not
even the US can seem to do for some reason. Medical care is free for
everyone. Somehow the US cannot accomplish this either.
(snip)

Anyone can give a third rate medical service as Cubans recieve in the
apartheid system.
The only reason that Castro was able to give a (half way decent) medical
service in the past is because he received.
The communist party had had to admit in their own report in 1987 that
most Cubans were dissatisfied with the quality of hospital care (before
the "special period").

See:
reporting a poll made by the communist party in Holguin (the famous "Boletin
Especial" of which a verbatim copy was published by CANF) revealed that out
of 10,756 polled 87.6 were unfavorable "an increase of 3% on the previous
year. The "medicos de la familia" were the best rated "only" 64.9%
unfavorable.
(Also quoted in Maurice Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University
Press, Nashville, 1994, p.125-126.)
' Even the doctors serving in the government health agencies or ministering
to patients in clinics and hospitals are not informed about new technology
or medical breakthroughs, except for the privileged few ­ the Communist
Party members, the privileged mayimbe class, who are allowed to travel
abroad or employed in the clinics serving the tourist industry ­
"sociolismo," the Cubans call it. '

"In "Cuba in Revolution," I mentioned the documented case of an ordinary
Cuban citizen who was denied medical care at the Cira García clinic for
foreign tourists. We learn from Dr. Dessy Mendoza that such cases are the
rule rather than the exception. Furthermore, Dr. Mendoza recounts the
difficulties of obtaining even those medications and treatments prescribed
for ordinary Cubans.

He cites cases of patients with cancer who cannot get treatment because the
medications have to be bought with dollars and not Cuban pesos! Yes, some
pharmacies, like the specialized clinics, are authorized by the government
to accept only dollars and are almost exclusively patronized by foreign
tourists and the mayimbe class with access to dollars. So much for Cuba's
revolutionary ideals of social justice and egalitarianism!"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/25/220915.shtml


Acclaimed Cuban Medical Care a Sham


Listening to the New York Times or Hollywood's contingent of wide-eyed
Castro worshippers you'd get the idea that medical care in Castro's Cuba
makes America's healthcare system look like a third world system.


Such claims are pure myth.


Dr. Hilda Molina, one of Cuba's top neurosurgeons, a one-time member of the
Cuban parliament, and a confidant of Fidel Castro, made the mistake of
criticizing her nation's medical care system.


Molina exposed Cuba's two-tier medical system that enabled rich foreigners
to come in for treatment at first-class facilities in Cuba, paying in
dollars, while ordinary Cubans got some of the most atrocious medical care
on the planet.


According to The American Thinker magazine, Molina was seriously punished
for her revelations, as well as objecting to Castro's fetal stem-cell
research program on the grounds of conscience.


In the end, she lost her job, her parliament position, her livelihood and
everything she'd worked for.


"Last December, she tried to leave Cuba to visit her Argentinian son, his
wife and their children," the Thinker reported. "There was a showdown at the
Argentinian Embassy and much to its disgrace, the Argentines refused to give
her a visa, shoving her back to Castro's waiting agents on the outside.
Nothing has been heard from her since."


Dr. Molina was not alone in decrying the shabby state of medical care
inflicted on ordinary Cubans under Castro. The American Thinker cited a
Cuban source that took on the issue head-on.


Wrote the Cuban source, babalublog.com "Every single time the island of Cuba
and Fidel Castro's revolution are covered anywhere in the media, one of the
points always mentioned is Cuba's free healthcare. You can practically time
it. If it's in print, you get the lead issue in the first and second
paragraph, a mention of Fidel Castro or one of his cronies in the third
paragraph, and then the plug for the lauded free healthcare available to
Cubans in the fourth. I don't think I've ever read an article about Castro
or Cuba where the 'healthcare' isn't mentioned.


"Every single Castro supporter clings to this healthcare thing like it is
some kind of holy grail. In a debate, the fact that Cuba has the most
political prisoners in the world is ignored. The fact that Cubans on the
island lack even the most basic of necessities is ignored. Tourism apartheid
is ignored. Everything is ignored save for the free healthcare and 100%
literacy.


"Of course, none of these 'free healthcare!' cheerleaders have ever been to
a Cuban hospital. They've never been to a Cuban clinic. Hospitals and
clinics serving the average Cuban, that is."


The writer then published photographs showing cockroach-infested hospital
rooms: "Cockroaches. Twenty-seven of them to be exact. All swept together
after having been squashed by patients and patrons of El Hospital Clinico
Quirurgico de la Habana."


Other photos showed a hospital interior that would be shut down in the U.S.
because of its shockingly unsanitary conditions.


"Well," wrote the source, "this is just a small reality of Castro's lauded
healthcare in Cuba. This is a hospital in Havana, one Castro once called
'one of the most modern and best ones in the country.' The hospital is in
the nation's capital and the most populated city in the country. Imagine the
conditions of hospitals in smaller cities or rural areas."


Moreover "this is not a hospital that caters to foreigners. This is a
hospital strictly for the Cuban people. Foreigners are treated quite
differently and their facilities are state of the art and, at least,
sanitary.


The photos, taken by two journalists, María Elena Morejón and Carlos
Wotzkow, can be accessed through babalublog.com. Wrote the source, "I urge
each and every one of you to check the ... photographs so that next time,
when some Fidel-loving apologist mentions Cuba's free healthcare, you
remember what they're really talking about: the myth of Cuba's vaunted
healthcare system."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/10/210943.shtml


On Cuba's apartheid system:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm

PL
Bob
2005-11-27 09:54:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by PL
Post by Bob
There ya' go!!! Gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme that ol' commie'ism
gimme tbat ol' commie'ism
its good enough fo'me...
if its good enough for castro and its good enough
for chavito, its good enough for both o' them,
then its good enough fo' me.
The question is how could anybody in their right
minds follow such a screwed up system, the answere
is they dont.
Why not? Cuba has the best figures in Latin America for a lot of
things and their infant mortality rate is lower than the US. In some
ways, Cuba is a smashing success.
(snip)
Only iof you believ Castro's statistics that are "politically
influenced" according to international experts and Cubans doctors that
have left the island.
Boy that would sure by news to me. You would think the US ruling class
media, who parrot Castro's figures, would have caught on by now, eh?
Post by PL
The global electronic reporting system for outbreaks
of emerging infectious diseases & toxins,
open to all sources.
ProMED-mail, the Program for Monitoring
Emerging Diseases, is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases.
" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced "
See www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390
Big deal! Dengue reported as influenza, in order not to scare off
tourists! This is the Earth-shaking health figure corruption the
international experts and Cuban exiled docs report? LOL! You crack my
butt, Kenny!
Post by PL
Post by Bob
And they feed their whole population, which not even the US can seem
to do for some reason. Medical care is free for everyone. Somehow the
US cannot accomplish this either.
(snip)
Anyone can give a third rate medical service as Cubans recieve in the
apartheid system.
Oh really? Why can't the capitalist paradises in Latin America do just
that, then? The only ones that come close are Costa Rica and Chile, with
heavily SOCIALIST health care systems. Capitalism is bad for your health!
Post by PL
The only reason that Castro was able to give a (half way decent) medical
service in the past is because he received.
The communist party had had to admit in their own report in 1987 that
most Cubans were dissatisfied with the quality of hospital care (before
the "special period").
Well, so? Take a survey of people in any Latin American country and see
how ppl like their nonexistent health care.
Post by PL
reporting a poll made by the communist party in Holguin (the famous "Boletin
Especial" of which a verbatim copy was published by CANF) revealed that out
of 10,756 polled 87.6 were unfavorable "an increase of 3% on the previous
year. The "medicos de la familia" were the best rated "only" 64.9%
unfavorable.
(Also quoted in Maurice Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University
Press, Nashville, 1994, p.125-126.)
' Even the doctors serving in the government health agencies or ministering
to patients in clinics and hospitals are not informed about new technology
or medical breakthroughs, except for the privileged few ­ the Communist
Party members, the privileged mayimbe class, who are allowed to travel
abroad or employed in the clinics serving the tourist industry ­
"sociolismo," the Cubans call it. '
"In "Cuba in Revolution," I mentioned the documented case of an ordinary
Cuban citizen who was denied medical care at the Cira García clinic for
foreign tourists. We learn from Dr. Dessy Mendoza that such cases are the
rule rather than the exception. Furthermore, Dr. Mendoza recounts the
difficulties of obtaining even those medications and treatments prescribed
for ordinary Cubans.
He cites cases of patients with cancer who cannot get treatment because the
medications have to be bought with dollars and not Cuban pesos! Yes, some
pharmacies, like the specialized clinics, are authorized by the government
to accept only dollars and are almost exclusively patronized by foreign
tourists and the mayimbe class with access to dollars. So much for Cuba's
revolutionary ideals of social justice and egalitarianism!"
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/25/220915.shtml
The health tourism funds the state in order to provide excellent (by
Latin American standards) health care for the rest of the people.
Capitalism is bad for your health!>
Post by PL
Acclaimed Cuban Medical Care a Sham>
Listening to the New York Times or Hollywood's contingent of wide-eyed
Castro worshippers you'd get the idea that medical care in Castro's Cuba
makes America's healthcare system look like a third world system.
No one says that.>
Post by PL
Such claims are pure myth.>
Dr. Hilda Molina, one of Cuba's top neurosurgeons, a one-time member of the
Cuban parliament, and a confidant of Fidel Castro, made the mistake of
criticizing her nation's medical care system.>
Molina exposed Cuba's two-tier medical system that enabled rich foreigners
to come in for treatment at first-class facilities in Cuba, paying in
dollars, while ordinary Cubans got some of the most atrocious medical care
on the planet.
Hardly!>
Post by PL
According to The American Thinker magazine, Molina was seriously punished
for her revelations, as well as objecting to Castro's fetal stem-cell
research program on the grounds of conscience.>
In the end, she lost her job, her parliament position, her livelihood and
everything she'd worked for.>
"Last December, she tried to leave Cuba to visit her Argentinian son, his
wife and their children," the Thinker reported. "There was a showdown at the
Argentinian Embassy and much to its disgrace, the Argentines refused to give
her a visa, shoving her back to Castro's waiting agents on the outside.
Nothing has been heard from her since.">
Dr. Molina was not alone in decrying the shabby state of medical care
inflicted on ordinary Cubans under Castro. The American Thinker cited a
Cuban source that took on the issue head-on.>
Wrote the Cuban source, babalublog.com "Every single time the island of Cuba
and Fidel Castro's revolution are covered anywhere in the media, one of the
points always mentioned is Cuba's free healthcare. You can practically time
it. If it's in print, you get the lead issue in the first and second
paragraph, a mention of Fidel Castro or one of his cronies in the third
paragraph, and then the plug for the lauded free healthcare available to
Cubans in the fourth. I don't think I've ever read an article about Castro
or Cuba where the 'healthcare' isn't mentioned.>
"Every single Castro supporter clings to this healthcare thing like it is
some kind of holy grail. In a debate, the fact that Cuba has the most
political prisoners in the world is ignored.
LIE.

The fact that Cubans on the
Post by PL
island lack even the most basic of necessities is ignored. Tourism apartheid
is ignored. Everything is ignored save for the free healthcare and 100%
literacy.>
"Of course, none of these 'free healthcare!' cheerleaders have ever been to
a Cuban hospital. They've never been to a Cuban clinic. Hospitals and
clinics serving the average Cuban, that is.">
The writer then published photographs showing cockroach-infested hospital
rooms: "Cockroaches. Twenty-seven of them to be exact. All swept together
after having been squashed by patients and patrons of El Hospital Clinico
Quirurgico de la Habana.">
Other photos showed a hospital interior that would be shut down in the U.S.
because of its shockingly unsanitary conditions.>
"Well," wrote the source, "this is just a small reality of Castro's lauded
healthcare in Cuba. This is a hospital in Havana, one Castro once called
'one of the most modern and best ones in the country.' The hospital is in
the nation's capital and the most populated city in the country. Imagine the
conditions of hospitals in smaller cities or rural areas.">
Moreover "this is not a hospital that caters to foreigners. This is a
hospital strictly for the Cuban people. Foreigners are treated quite
differently and their facilities are state of the art and, at least,
sanitary.>
The photos, taken by two journalists, María Elena Morejón and Carlos
Wotzkow, can be accessed through babalublog.com. Wrote the source, "I urge
each and every one of you to check the ... photographs so that next time,
when some Fidel-loving apologist mentions Cuba's free healthcare, you
remember what they're really talking about: the myth of Cuba's vaunted
healthcare system.">
That is an extreme rightwing magazine.
Post by PL
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/10/210943.shtml
And so is this one.>
Post by PL
http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm
PL
krp
2005-11-27 12:13:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
Post by PL
" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically influenced "
See www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390
Big deal! Dengue reported as influenza, in order not to scare off
tourists! This is the Earth-shaking health figure corruption the
international experts and Cuban exiled docs report? LOL! You crack my
butt, Kenny!
That was PL not me. BUT you seem to MISS that what is reported by
medical folks who have left Cuba is how the dats is deliberaly
MISREPRESENTED and falsified. SAo you can claim all you like to about how
ALL Cubans live to 200 or whatever the STUPID party line is today, those of
us who are awake, dare call it bullshit.
Post by Bob
Post by PL
And they feed their whole population, which not even the US can seem to
do for some reason. Medical care is free for everyone. Somehow the US
cannot accomplish this either.
(snip)
Anyone can give a third rate medical service as Cubans recieve in the
apartheid system.
Oh really? Why can't the capitalist paradises in Latin America do just
that, then? The only ones that come close are Costa Rica and Chile, with
heavily SOCIALIST health care systems. Capitalism is bad for your health!
First of all the ONLY place that comes even close to being a "capitalist
paradise" would be Costa Rica. the REST of Latin America is a collection of
bananna republics with either right wing fanatic dictators, or left wing
fanatic dictators. Not much in between. And ignorant people who fall for
about ANY promise to make their miserable lives better.
Post by Bob
Post by PL
The only reason that Castro was able to give a (half way decent) medical
service in the past is because he received.
The communist party had had to admit in their own report in 1987 that
most Cubans were dissatisfied with the quality of hospital care (before
the "special period").
Well, so? Take a survey of people in any Latin American country and see
how ppl like their nonexistent health care.
Here is a better idea for you. Go to Cuba and ask the CUBAN people. But
MAYBE, just MAYBE the one remaining live brain cell you have, can take a
look at the FACT that people are dying to get OUT of that "WORKER'S
PARADISE" of yours. That IDEAL and MOST MOST HOLY of all wonderful utopias.
The HOLY GRAIL of PERFEC T STATES! Why is it that people are NOT fighting
to get IN? Why are they taking ANYTHING they can try to make float,
INCLUDING a 1959 BUICK ROADMASTER to get the hell out of PERFECTION?

Now Bobby when you have an answer for THAT - one that is reasonable...
we'll stop laughing at you!


You don't have to be stupid to be a communist - but it sure makes you a
COMRADE!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-24 20:54:33 UTC
Permalink
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.

Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
--
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2005-11-25 00:45:42 UTC
Permalink
Boing annuonces an Thirteen BILLION dollar sale of
aircraft to China, and Eight Billion dollar
aircraft sale to Qatar.


On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-25 00:55:49 UTC
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Y en que te beneficia eso a ti so pnedejo?
Post by Observador
Boing annuonces an Thirteen BILLION dollar sale of
aircraft to China, and Eight Billion dollar
aircraft sale to Qatar.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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Observador
2005-11-25 03:36:38 UTC
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Si me beneficio yo y millones mas indirctamente,
con nuestros ahorros en los en fondos
mutuos...Pero estoy seguro que los imbeciles
izquierdistas lo unico que saven hacer es llorar y
no tienen la menor idea de lo que son ira, fondos
mutuos, o notas federales.....de te todos modo
para infelizes incapacitados mentales como todos
los izquierdistas se crearon los cupones.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:55:49 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Y en que te beneficia eso a ti so pnedejo?
Post by Observador
Boing annuonces an Thirteen BILLION dollar sale of
aircraft to China, and Eight Billion dollar
aircraft sale to Qatar.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-25 17:30:26 UTC
Permalink
En lo unico que tu te beneficia es que tiene un culo yanqui mas gordo y
grande que besar.
Post by Observador
Si me beneficio yo y millones mas indirctamente,
con nuestros ahorros en los en fondos
mutuos...Pero estoy seguro que los imbeciles
izquierdistas lo unico que saven hacer es llorar y
no tienen la menor idea de lo que son ira, fondos
mutuos, o notas federales.....de te todos modo
para infelizes incapacitados mentales como todos
los izquierdistas se crearon los cupones.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:55:49 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Y en que te beneficia eso a ti so pnedejo?
Post by Observador
Boing annuonces an Thirteen BILLION dollar sale of
aircraft to China, and Eight Billion dollar
aircraft sale to Qatar.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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Crusader
2005-11-30 00:34:54 UTC
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No te cansas de postear mentiras ,maricon?
defender a un puerco mafioso como a un dios te hace parecer un mongioliano
con el culo abierto.
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Y en que te beneficia eso a ti so pnedejo?
Post by Observador
Boing annuonces an Thirteen BILLION dollar sale of
aircraft to China, and Eight Billion dollar
aircraft sale to Qatar.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:54:33 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-30 12:40:49 UTC
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Post by Crusader
No te cansas de postear mentiras ,maricon?
defender a un puerco mafioso como a un dios te hace parecer un
mongioliano
con el culo abierto.
"mongioliano" Ademas de gusano, bruto?
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krp
2005-11-25 11:58:52 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?

Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..

K?
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-25 17:33:08 UTC
Permalink
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
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redflag
2005-11-25 19:30:39 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price

It's the biggest retailer in the world, and every American taxpayer is
subsidising its record profits to the tune of more than $1.5 billion every
year. Director Robert Greenwald (who made the feature films "Steal This
Movie" and "Breaking Up," as well as the documentaries "Outfoxed: Rupert
Murdoch's War on Journalism" and "Uncovered: The Iraq War") examines how this
company, which became a joint venture with China in the early 1990s
(reversing its founder's commitment to "buying American"), has become both an
American institution and a feared and despised juggernaut that is destroying
the small business economy and driving down wages for workers.

"I don't go to Wal-Mart because the cheaper prices are not as important to
me as the thought that I'm getting those cheaper prices at the cost of the
lives and labor of Wal-Mart employees. And also, the prices are not
necessarily that much cheaper, because American taxpayers are paying for a lot
of Wal-Mart's health care. A lot of Wal-Mart's employees are working at Wal-
Mart -- nevertheless they're on welfare, they're nevertheless getting
[government-subsidized] medical aid -- because Wal-Mart isn't paying them
enough money to live. And that's not fair."
-- Roger Ebert, "Ebert & Roeper"

NOTE: Unless otherwise indicated, "Coming Soon" blurbs are informational
only, written about films that have not yet been screened. Roger Ebert's
actual review will not appear until the day of release.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051114/REVIEWS/51115001/1023
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Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-25 23:22:00 UTC
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La vi recientemente (el documental) y cualquier persona que compra en Wal
Mart debe pensarlo dos veces.
Post by redflag
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price
It's the biggest retailer in the world, and every American taxpayer is
subsidising its record profits to the tune of more than $1.5 billion every
year. Director Robert Greenwald (who made the feature films "Steal This
Movie" and "Breaking Up," as well as the documentaries "Outfoxed: Rupert
Murdoch's War on Journalism" and "Uncovered: The Iraq War") examines how this
company, which became a joint venture with China in the early 1990s
(reversing its founder's commitment to "buying American"), has become both an
American institution and a feared and despised juggernaut that is destroying
the small business economy and driving down wages for workers.
"I don't go to Wal-Mart because the cheaper prices are not as important to
me as the thought that I'm getting those cheaper prices at the cost of the
lives and labor of Wal-Mart employees. And also, the prices are not
necessarily that much cheaper, because American taxpayers are paying for a lot
of Wal-Mart's health care. A lot of Wal-Mart's employees are working at Wal-
Mart -- nevertheless they're on welfare, they're nevertheless getting
[government-subsidized] medical aid -- because Wal-Mart isn't paying them
enough money to live. And that's not fair."
-- Roger Ebert, "Ebert & Roeper"
NOTE: Unless otherwise indicated, "Coming Soon" blurbs are informational
only, written about films that have not yet been screened. Roger Ebert's
actual review will not appear until the day of release.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051114/REVIEWS/51115001/1023
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Crusader
2005-11-29 00:02:53 UTC
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Comprar en walmart es lo mas inteligente.
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
La vi recientemente (el documental) y cualquier persona que compra en Wal
Mart debe pensarlo dos veces.
Post by redflag
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price
It's the biggest retailer in the world, and every American taxpayer is
subsidising its record profits to the tune of more than $1.5 billion every
year. Director Robert Greenwald (who made the feature films "Steal This
Movie" and "Breaking Up," as well as the documentaries "Outfoxed: Rupert
Murdoch's War on Journalism" and "Uncovered: The Iraq War") examines how this
company, which became a joint venture with China in the early 1990s
(reversing its founder's commitment to "buying American"), has become both an
American institution and a feared and despised juggernaut that is destroying
the small business economy and driving down wages for workers.
"I don't go to Wal-Mart because the cheaper prices are not as important to
me as the thought that I'm getting those cheaper prices at the cost of the
lives and labor of Wal-Mart employees. And also, the prices are not
necessarily that much cheaper, because American taxpayers are paying for a lot
of Wal-Mart's health care. A lot of Wal-Mart's employees are working at
Wal-
Mart -- nevertheless they're on welfare, they're nevertheless getting
[government-subsidized] medical aid -- because Wal-Mart isn't paying them
enough money to live. And that's not fair."
-- Roger Ebert, "Ebert & Roeper"
NOTE: Unless otherwise indicated, "Coming Soon" blurbs are informational
only, written about films that have not yet been screened. Roger Ebert's
actual review will not appear until the day of release.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051114/REVIEWS/51115001/1023
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torresD
2005-11-30 08:36:09 UTC
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Post by Crusader
Comprar en walmart es lo mas inteligente.
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krp
2005-11-30 12:38:37 UTC
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Post by torresD
Post by Crusader
Comprar en walmart es lo mas inteligente.
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Become a Republican, let the Jews talk you into
attacking a country for its OIL.
cor you are delusional. The US isn't getting a DROP oo oil from Iraq.
Bob
2005-11-26 08:37:24 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with
starving wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US.
Or even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
krp
2005-11-26 12:26:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with
starving wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?

I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.

Go look at photos of your "IDEAL UTOPIA!"

http://www.therealcuba.com
redflag
2005-11-26 17:21:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
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2005-11-26 19:50:19 UTC
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Post by redflag
Post by krp
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-26 20:23:57 UTC
Permalink
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.


Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
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Observador
2005-11-27 05:18:22 UTC
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http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

I'm glad that the word Healhcare came up!
I say the word Healthcare becuse under this
totalitarion dictator,which terrorises his
countrymen, healthcare is a fallacy, repeated over
and over and persuading those who are gullabel
enough to accept a lying dictator at his word.
However, there are Health Facilities in Cuba, and
"La Pradera International Health Center," is one
of the health facilities built by Castro for the
exclusive use of those foreigners who can pay him
with hard currency. Visit the following site to
get an idea the health services afforded to the
common cuban, and judge for yourself socialist
medicne.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm




On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:23:57 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.
Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
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2005-11-27 09:38:22 UTC
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Post by krp
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
I'm glad that the word Healhcare came up!
I say the word Healthcare becuse under this
totalitarion dictator,which terrorises his
countrymen, healthcare is a fallacy, repeated over
and over and persuading those who are gullabel
enough to accept a lying dictator at his word.
However, there are Health Facilities in Cuba, and
"La Pradera International Health Center," is one
of the health facilities built by Castro for the
exclusive use of those foreigners who can pay him
with hard currency. Visit the following site to
get an idea the health services afforded to the
common cuban, and judge for yourself socialist
medicne.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
So? It's better than the medical care the common people get in the rest
of Latin America (nonexistent). The figures don't lie. The pictures are
not pretty but the figures are kickass. >
Post by krp
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:23:57 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.
Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
krp
2005-11-27 11:57:44 UTC
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Post by krp
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
I'm glad that the word Healhcare came up!
I say the word Healthcare becuse under this
totalitarion dictator,which terrorises his
countrymen, healthcare is a fallacy, repeated over
and over and persuading those who are gullabel
enough to accept a lying dictator at his word.
However, there are Health Facilities in Cuba, and
"La Pradera International Health Center," is one
of the health facilities built by Castro for the
exclusive use of those foreigners who can pay him with hard currency.
Visit the following site to
get an idea the health services afforded to the
common cuban, and judge for yourself socialist
medicne.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
So? It's better than the medical care the common people get in the rest of
Latin America (nonexistent). The figures don't lie. The pictures are not
pretty but the figures are kickass. >
You obviously never heard the old saying; "That while figures don't lie,
LIARS do figure." In short the pictures TELL THE STORY Comrade!
The figures? PROPAGANDA! And you are stupid enough to swallow it whole..
krp
2005-11-27 11:59:56 UTC
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Post by krp
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
So? It's better than the medical care the common people get in the rest of
Latin America (nonexistent). The figures don't lie. The pictures are not
pretty but the figures are kickass.
Comrade have you ever been to Cuba?
Observador
2005-11-27 05:23:50 UTC
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http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm
Here is a link showing the healthcare facilities
the common man in cuba had access to before the
totalitarian terrorist dictator, destroyed the
cuban helthcare system.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:23:57 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.
Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
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2005-11-27 09:40:12 UTC
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Post by Observador
http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm
Here is a link showing the healthcare facilities
the common man in cuba had access to before the
totalitarian terrorist dictator, destroyed the
cuban helthcare system.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm
Right, LOL. There were hardly any in the countryside. They were all in
Havana. How did the "common people have access" to these fine facilities
anyway? Did Cuba have socialized medicine under Batista? Socialized
medicine works! Capitalism is bad for your health! And we can prove it,
over and over and over and over.
Post by Observador
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:23:57 -0800, "Jose de
Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.>>
Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
krp
2005-11-27 12:04:39 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Observador
http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm
Here is a link showing the healthcare facilities
the common man in cuba had access to before the
totalitarian terrorist dictator, destroyed the
cuban helthcare system.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Health%20Services%20in%20Cuba%20B.C..htm
Right, LOL. There were hardly any in the countryside. They were all in
Havana. How did the "common people have access" to these fine facilities
anyway? Did Cuba have socialized medicine under Batista? Socialized
medicine works! Capitalism is bad for your health! And we can prove it,
over and over and over and over.
While access to medical care was difficult in 1958 Cuba, it was of a
much higher standard than what the Cuban people have today. Socialized
medicine is a DISASTER!
You can LIE over and over and over and over and over and over. Mostly to
yourself. Most people have SEEN what socialized medicine REALLY looked like
under Communism. Remember the walls came down over eastern Europe and the
old USSR. You can BULLSHIT all the people some of the time. You can
BULLSHIT some of the people ALL of the time (The stupid ones) but you can
NEVER bullshit all of the people all of the time. Eventually they see your
DICTATOR has NO clothing.

Now on one have we have a SPOILED American COMMUNIST (self proclaimed)
and we have MILLIONS of Cubans. Who do we believe? Now, just WHO do we
believe knows more about Cuba??? Hey Bobby - I don't think it'll be YOU!
Bob
2005-11-27 09:36:52 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula
This one here has been a major disappointment. :( Booooo.

are
Post by Jose de Arimatea
rising in the world.>
Did you see all those former Tupamaros in positions of Power in Uruguay?
Yeah that is promising. I wonder what may happen in the Bolivian
election. That is the one I am watching.
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US.
Post by Bob
Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba
now
Post by Bob
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
You are simply FULL OF SHIT! UNESCO uses the data SUPPLIED to it by Cuba! So
much for BULLSHIT! UNESCO does NO independent verification of those health
statistics. They are not allowed to! HOWEVER on the occasions where
independent experts have snuck in to examine those issues, they NEVER
support the claims of the Cuban government. You can TRY, like you Canadian
"Comrade" the BAR sitter does, to claim they ALL are working for the "ENEMY"
if you need to. REALLY, I'll understand how those Swedish Doctors, and the
Checks ALL are paid agents of the U.S... I REALLY will understand it!
You would think that some exiles would have shed light on this massive
conspiracy by the Cuban state to cook the books, you know? Furthermore,
why does Cuba let the US beat it in life expectancy for 46 years now?
Why not just cook the books all the way and make Cuba best on Earth?

No serious scholars or journalists or experts anywhere on Earth doubt
Cuba's figures. I recall that Cuba's claims in 1980 that Cubans had the
highest caloric intake in Latin America were in fact independently
verified by the UN.
krp
2005-11-27 11:55:46 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
It must be sad to see that everyday you gusanitos are lonier and lonier
and just egaing and dying hwile Chavez, Fidel, Kirschner, Lula are rising
in the world.
That's what they said in 1918 with the USSR.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-26 20:22:33 UTC
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It's a worldwide conspiracy which is why only the US a few punk little
tiny islands vote with the US and in favor of the embargo.

It's a conspiracy1 The world hates gusanos!

Stupid!
Post by redflag
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US. Or
Post by Bob
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
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Bob
2005-11-27 09:32:36 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
It's a worldwide conspiracy which is why only the US a few punk little
tiny islands vote with the US and in favor of the embargo.
It's a conspiracy1 The world hates gusanos!
Stupid!
LMAO!
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by redflag
Post by Bob
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the
US. Or
Post by Bob
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.>>>
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
Bob
2005-11-27 09:31:47 UTC
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Post by redflag
Post by krp
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
Well for 40-odd years Cuba said the US was beating Cuba in infant
mortality. Why did they take this long to start lying? There is no good,
solid, hard, reasonable evidence that Cuba is faking any of their
figures whatsoever. Hell, they even report bad news. In the early 90's,
it was well-known that Cubans were not getting enough calories or a
balanced diet and the state admitted that. Furthermore, many Communist
countries long had pretty dismal figures in a lot of these areas that
Cuba shines in. So, the whole, Commies lie about this stuff, line seems
pretty dubious.
Post by redflag
Post by krp
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
Well I am a Communist Party member, but I am also a Green Party member
and I am also registered Democrat. So figure that out. My politics is
somewhere along the spectrum of those parties. My ideal system would be
democratic with some sort of a mixed economy. I love Hugo Chavez of
Venezuela. In a way, that is much better than Cuba, because it is
democratic and has a mixed economy.

I also strongly supported the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. I used to
contribute to a clandestine weapons fund for the FMLN in Los Angeles (I
knew FMLN members who collected it near MacArthur Park). I supported the
URNG in Guatemala and I presently support (with caveats) all the
revolutionaries in Colombia. I do not support Sendero, though, sorry. I
also support the revolutionaries in Philippines and Nepal, strongly! And
in Palestine, I support the PFLP.>>
Post by redflag
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
Yeah, good point.
krp
2005-11-27 12:22:03 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by redflag
Post by krp
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
Well for 40-odd years Cuba said the US was beating Cuba in infant
mortality. Why did they take this long to start lying? There is no good,
solid, hard, reasonable evidence that Cuba is faking any of their figures
whatsoever. Hell, they even report bad news. In the early 90's, it was
well-known that Cubans were not getting enough calories or a balanced diet
and the state admitted that. Furthermore, many Communist countries long
had pretty dismal figures in a lot of these areas that Cuba shines in. So,
the whole, Commies lie about this stuff, line seems pretty dubious.
Actually Bobby - the Castro government has been claiming the best infant
mortality rate in the world now for over 20 years, and in the top 10 for 40.
Post by Bob
Post by redflag
Post by krp
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
Well I am a Communist Party member, but I am also a Green Party member and
I am also registered Democrat. So figure that out. My politics is
somewhere along the spectrum of those parties. My ideal system would be
democratic with some sort of a mixed economy. I love Hugo Chavez of
Venezuela. In a way, that is much better than Cuba, because it is
democratic and has a mixed economy.
So you can't quite figure out WHAT you are. Not MY problem. You are a
FAR LEFT idiot Bobby. Venezuela is NOT in ANY way really "democratic." It is
now a DICTATORSHIP. Maybe you like a nation where dissent is a capital
crime. To somebody like YOU that's PERFECT DEMOCRACY! See, ALL the people
love me! OR THEY GET SHOT doen in the streets like DOGS... Bobby those
"riots" where thousands of people were gunned down in the streets of Caracas
in 2000.... NONE of the people were armed, not even with rocks! DEMOCRACY?
Now opposition party leaders ARRESTED and SHOT!

Yes Bobby right wing dictators are evil. But left wing dictators are at
least AS evil or worse. We can look at history to see how YOUR political
philosophy runs things. The USSR under Communism. Over 60 MILLION people
executed. Cambodia under COMMUNISM - over half the population EXECUTED..
North Korea MILLIONS executed and they continue to this day. Cuba? Depending
on who you chose to believe from 10,000 to 96,000. MOST sources settle on
about 76,000 as a compromise figure.

Yeah and we know the Pinochets and others right wing dictators are evil
too. The DEMOCRATS like Jose Marti and Simon Bolivar are damn hard to find.
Post by Bob
I also strongly supported the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. I used to
contribute to a clandestine weapons fund for the FMLN in Los Angeles (I
knew FMLN members who collected it near MacArthur Park). I supported the
URNG in Guatemala and I presently support (with caveats) all the
revolutionaries in Colombia. I do not support Sendero, though, sorry. I
also support the revolutionaries in Philippines and Nepal, strongly! And
in Palestine, I support the PFLP.>>
Post by redflag
The United Nations' UNESCO is who provides the data. Are you saying that they
are lying on behalf of Cuba?
Yeah, good point.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-26 20:21:26 UTC
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Every UN, and international medical team that has gone there has
understood why, except that you are so tainted and stupid because of your
ideology of gusanismo you can not accept truth if it hits you in the
gusano face.

Preventive medicine, gusano, preventive medicine . . . cheaper and more
effective.
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with
starving wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Exactly. Compare Cuba with the rest of the 3rd World, not with the US. Or
even with the rest of Latin America, for that matter. Anyway, Cuba now
beats the US infant mortality rate, which is amazing.
Bobby Cuba SAYS it beats the U.S. in infant mortality. Do you think Cuba
could LIE????? About anything?
I know you are a "Communist" so you admit.
Go look at photos of your "IDEAL UTOPIA!"
http://www.therealcuba.com
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krp
2005-11-27 11:54:42 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Every UN, and international medical team that has gone there has
understood why, except that you are so tainted and stupid because of your
ideology of gusanismo you can not accept truth if it hits you in the
gusano face.
Preventive medicine, gusano, preventive medicine . . . cheaper and more
effective.
Sorry those "International Medical Teams" have been on "ESCORTED" tours to
selected facilities generally used for FOREIGNERS and NOT the clinics the
actual CUBAN PEOPLE have to use.


Have a LOOK at the REALITY of that GREAT GREAT GREAT healthcare system.

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

Yes it is FREE........... Which proves an old Capitalist maxim. "You only
get what you pay for."
krp
2005-11-26 12:24:34 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee health care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better than the
horrible conditions in the United States..

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.

http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm

Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-26 20:24:46 UTC
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I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee health care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better than the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
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krp
2005-11-27 12:23:42 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee health care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better than the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
The point is a need a GOOD LAUGH!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-27 19:01:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the
unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee health care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better
than
the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
The point is a need a GOOD LAUGH!
Then just stand in front of a mirror!
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krp
2005-11-28 00:05:10 UTC
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Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee health care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better
than
the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
The point is I need a GOOD LAUGH!
Then just stand in front of a mirror!
Only if you stand in front of me!
Jose de Arimatea
2005-11-28 06:00:02 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income
of
the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike
Guatemala
and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee
health
care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better
than
the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
The point is I need a GOOD LAUGH!
Then just stand in front of a mirror!
Only if you stand in front of me!
Yep, another stupid remark. In our local MENSA club we have your photo in
our wall, under it we have a sign, "if your fetus begins to look like this
. . . abort . . . . abort!"
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krp
2005-11-28 12:34:53 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Post by krp
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Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and
layoffs. Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income
of
the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a government that works when disaster strikes (unlike
Guatemala
and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
What Wal Mart employee in what 3rd world country? Hey Joe - - - go
LOOK at that GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT and I do mean FANTASTIC fee
health
care
system in Cuba that is the BEST IN THE WORLD - - FAR FAR FAR better
than
the
horrible conditions in the United States..
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
See the GREAT LEAP FORWARD in medical care under Communism! See the GREAT
promise that it holds open for peoples of the world.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Unhappypeople.htm
Oh PLEASE lecture me about Cuba. I enjoy it.
I can lecture YOU about anything, the problem is WHAT IS THE POINT?
The point is I need a GOOD LAUGH!
Then just stand in front of a mirror!
Only if you stand in front of me!
Yep, another stupid remark. In our local MENSA club we have your photo in
our wall, under it we have a sign, "if your fetus begins to look like this
. . . abort . . . . abort!"
I thought I needed to respond on a level you could understand. Mensa
club? Is that the "HE-MAN WOMEN HATIN MENSA CLUB?"
Crusader
2005-11-29 00:02:14 UTC
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hipocrita izquirdoso
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Become a Democrat-Help us kill babies.
Post by Jose de Arimatea
Wrong comparison, compare a Wal Mart employee in a poor third world
country with any worker in Cuba . . . one with free education, health
care, a goverment that works when disaster strikes (unlike Guatemala and
Pakistan where people are still suffering) and those workers with starving
wages, no medical care and repression when they protest living
conditions....
Post by krp
Post by Jose de Arimatea
While US Corporations announce major salary reductions and layoffs.
Viva Wal Mart!
Here's a choice for you... Do you wish to compare the income of the
LOWEST worker at Wal Mart with the HIGHEST worker in Cuba NOT Named Castro?
Or one better - let's compare the lowest person on the unemployment
compensation with those same folks in Cuba..
K?
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krp
2005-11-25 11:56:53 UTC
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Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
That's great while electricity and food go up by 33%!
Observador
2005-11-26 14:42:56 UTC
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The true side of the coin:
Anuncios de Castro castigan a cubanos
*************************************
ISABEL SANCHEZ / AFP LA HABANA
La ofensiva del gobernante de Cuba, Fidel Castro,
contra el mercado
negro viene a tocar un nervio sensible en el
tejido social de los
cubanos que, acostumbrados a ''inventar'' para
sobrellevar las
carencias, est=E1n a la expectativa de las medidas
que adoptar=E1 el
gobierno.

Los cubanos pasaron el fin de semana digiriendo el
contundente discurso
en que Castro anunci=F3 la noche del jueves una
batalla frontal contra
la ''bolsa negra'', la corrupci=F3n y las
ilegalidades, que, seg=FAn =E9l,
amenazan con destruir la revoluci=F3n socialista,
en pie desde hace casi
47 a=F1os.

''Un hurac=E1n categor=EDa cinco''. Con esa frase,
muy familiar para los
cubanos, Castro ilustr=F3 lo que est=E1 por venir
para acabar con los que
llama ''nuevos ricos'', la desigualdad social y
los robos masivos que
drenan la econom=EDa estatal.

Aunque no precis=F3 las me-

didas, Castro anunci=F3 un estricto plan de
control de recursos
estatales, dibuj=F3 el cierre a peque=F1os
espacios abiertos a la
actividad privada -peque=F1os restaurantes y
agromercados- y sugiri=F3
una futura revaluaci=F3n de la moneda local frente
a las divisas
convertibles, lo cual afectar=EDa las remesas.

En el plano m=E1s sensiblemente dom=E9stico,
desestimular=E1 el
despilfarro de energ=EDa con tarifas m=E1s altas
para los que m=E1s
gasten, eliminar=E1 la libreta de racionamiento
-asignaci=F3n mensual de
alimentos subsidiados- y atacar=E1 a los
''almendrones'', taxis
colectivos privados que alivian la demanda
insatisfecha de transporte
p=FAblico y que en los =FAltimos meses aumentaron
sus tarifas.

''Hay abusos, eso es cierto. Muchos se han
aprovechado de las
necesidades de la gente. Compran gasolina en el
mercado negro, y abusan
con el pasaje, pero hacen falta. No puedo esperar
la guagua (bus) por
horas'', dijo una estudiante de 18 a=F1os, que
reci=E9n bajaba de un
''almendr=F3n'' en una c=E9ntrica calle de La
Habana.

La maquinaria del rumor que en Cuba funciona bien
aceitada aceler=F3 su
marcha el fin de semana tras el discurso. Muchos
acudieron a los
agromercados para abastecerse ante un eventual
''cierre'' y desde hace
d=EDas hay aglomeraciones frente a las casas de
cambio para vender la
moneda convertible y adquirir pesos cubanos.

''La cosa se va a poner m=E1s dif=EDcil. Vine al
agro muy temprano porque
me dijeron que los iban a cerrar, pero no hay casi
nada, est=E1 muy malo
y todo sigue car=EDsimo'', dijo un ama de casa de
49 a=F1os, en un
mercado del sector de Miramar, oeste de La Habana,
objeto hace diez
d=EDas de una inspecci=F3n.

La batida contra las ilegalidades, unida a los
efectos de la sequ=EDa y
los huracanes, trajo un desabastecimiento en los
agromercados pues la
polic=EDa ha decomisado camiones de productos
cuyos vendedores no
ten=EDan licencias.

''Es un abuso, en este agro venden muy caro; pero
en el puesto de
vianda -agro estatal subvencionado-, que es
much=EDsimo m=E1s barato, no
hay nada'', a=F1adi=F3 el ama de casa, que
prefiri=F3 no dar su nombre.

Pero Castro dijo que, con las reformas que
vendr=E1n, alcanzar=E1 para
vivir del trabajo o la pensi=F3n. Es decir, que no
habr=E1 necesidad de
contrabandear con bienes y servicios p=FAblicos y
ceder=E1 la desigualdad
social que se dispar=F3 en el pa=EDs durante la
crisis de los a=F1os 90.

''Lo que la revoluci=F3n necesita es el apoyo del
pueblo a las
medidas'', se=F1al=F3, al precisar que 28,000
j=F3venes trabajadores
sociales libran la guerra contra ''el vicio'',
copando sectores como
las gasolineras para frenar el robo de
combustible.

Sin embargo, muchos cubanos se muestran
incr=E9dulos. Los salarios que
se pagan en Cuba (de entre 10 y 20 d=F3lares
mensuales) obligan a muchos
a ''inventar'' otras formas de hacer dinero para
alimentar a sus
familias.

''Llevamos muchos a=F1os viviendo del invento como
para que se acabe
f=E1cilmente. La gente va a saber c=F3mo
resolver'', asegur=F3 un em

pleado de 36 a=F1os que vende vino en el mercado
negro.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:01:23 GMT, "torresD"
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
Observador
2005-11-27 05:35:08 UTC
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http://www.therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm
The two faces of cuba, one for the turist and the
other for the common cuban. That is why the
totalitarian terrorist dictator of cuba is
despised in his own country and will have the same
fate of russias stalin.
http://www.therealcuba.com/two_cubas.htm


On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:01:23 GMT, "torresD"
Post by torresD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4465452.stm
Cuba announces major salary rises
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Fidel Castro wants to reward people like doctors
Cuba has announced a major increase
in government salaries as it tries to
reward workers with high productivity
and advanced university degrees.
The bonuses will boost some
government salaries by up to 50%.
Cuba's Communist Party daily
newspaper says that the pay
rises will be the first some
civil servants have been
awarded in 23 years.
Workers with masters degrees will
receive a bonus of up to $4 a month.
Doctors will get an extra $7.
The raw figures might seem low but in Cuba -
where the average monthly salary is around $15 -
the rises will be welcome.
Perhaps all the more so because
they come at the same time the
Cuban government is launching
a campaign against those that
supplement their salaries
through illicit means.
Rich targeted
President Castro has vowed to
clamp down hard on rampant robbery
from state enterprises.
In a speech last week he also blamed
many of the country's woes on what he
described as Cuba's new rich -
principally intermediaries and
independent restaurant owners who
have profited from this economy's
very limited opening up to private
enterprise.
They, it appears,
are being targeted in another move announced -
a staggered price rise of up to three times
for heavy consumers of electricity.
Cuba's decrepit electrical infrastructure
has in recent years proved insufficient to
power the whole country.
The government says that the entire
population needs to be made aware of
the cost of energy,
particularly those that use it
to run their own businesses.
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